tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post3445564865817571102..comments2023-06-26T15:18:06.600+01:00Comments on The Sheridan Trial: Updated IndictmentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-77390295639493060782010-12-04T00:57:20.451+00:002010-12-04T00:57:20.451+00:00Sorry to be a pest but has GS not now, in my opini...Sorry to be a pest but has GS not now, in my opinion, admitted that her diary states that she was in Miami on one of the weekend's she says she was with Tommy and that Tommy's diary affirms this?<br /><br />Please see my initial post for the indictment and the evidence accepted by both sides as "proven".<br /><br />Can someone with any legal knowledge help me with this? I would much appreciate it as I don't get this but at all.<br /><br />Am I missing something obvious?Tommy Trial Addictnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-64286116112199204832010-12-03T23:20:17.544+00:002010-12-03T23:20:17.544+00:00> If someone comes after you, you'll need ...> If someone comes after you, you'll need a lot of money to defend yourself - why risk it?<br />Cheers<br /><br />Hey, isn't TS training to a lawyer? He might do it for free if he's cleared. And if not you might him personally inside...Christian Schmidtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-84611324345116458762010-12-03T23:17:33.037+00:002010-12-03T23:17:33.037+00:00In my view that surely means that the worst outcom...In my view that surely means that the worst outcome for Gail is a slap on the wrist. In fact even if Gail was wrong with the diaries, I have heard nothing that shows intent, so how can it be perjury?Christian Schmidtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-51127932312359579202010-12-03T20:10:47.340+00:002010-12-03T20:10:47.340+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-86571426435509200692010-12-03T19:59:08.162+00:002010-12-03T19:59:08.162+00:00Well in that case anon step 1 would be for the agg...Well in that case anon step 1 would be for the aggrieved party to contact me and ask for the offending comment to be removed, which it would be. I understand the issue in the case you mention and another case in London was the failure to remove comments after problems had been pointed out not that they were there in the first place.James Dolemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774046346905734191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-59729345177459338142010-12-03T19:53:01.795+00:002010-12-03T19:53:01.795+00:00Fair does. You really need to check out what happe...Fair does. You really need to check out what happened to the Sunday Herald with George Robertson. They paid him 20 grand because some bampot left a comment defaming him on their site. If someone comes after you, you'll need a lot of money to defend yourself - why risk it?<br />CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-46721158789404989052010-12-03T19:42:23.988+00:002010-12-03T19:42:23.988+00:00Hello again anon, sorry if I misunderstood, I'...Hello again anon, sorry if I misunderstood, I've deleted my reply and the comment you mentioned.James Dolemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774046346905734191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-6914548092871919612010-12-03T19:33:31.829+00:002010-12-03T19:33:31.829+00:00There is no doubt about the Court of Public Opinio...There is no doubt about the Court of Public Opinion's Verdict on this one. TS's political career is well and truly over. It will take a generation at least to repair the damage that this sordid saga has caused. Very sad!Court of Public Opinionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-74832315871569345342010-12-03T19:00:45.983+00:002010-12-03T19:00:45.983+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.James Dolemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774046346905734191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-21474946857032924232010-12-03T18:14:12.590+00:002010-12-03T18:14:12.590+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.yulefaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14720758140116316993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-35836748677051305552010-12-03T16:34:59.274+00:002010-12-03T16:34:59.274+00:00At least in England where suspects are given legal...At least in England where suspects are given legal representation all the need to do is say that "on the advise of my solicitor I am making no comment". No need to stare at a wall for 5 hours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-54427387435009085562010-12-03T16:33:05.761+00:002010-12-03T16:33:05.761+00:00Good legal advise that, Peter. Without prejudice ...Good legal advise that, Peter. Without prejudice to GS I am of the opinion that the best approach for any suspect in a police station is to remain silent (for some of the reasons that you state) and especially so for an innocent person. The Police CANNOT be trusted. Period. Here is a (hypothetical) question say you were arrested and detained in a police station by knew the location of a CCTV that was recording at the time that would PROVE your innocence, would you tell the Police of it's location? You may have even heard press reports suggesting that you should, but would you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-56079559965851533062010-12-03T15:30:06.668+00:002010-12-03T15:30:06.668+00:00I'm not defending anything that Tommy Sheridan...I'm not defending anything that Tommy Sheridan did or did not do in hotels, seedy swingers clubs, his own home, other people's homes, or evenlying in the court of session during the last case. I have my own personal views on all of that and none of it is supportive of TS. I've absolutely no time for the man, personally or politically.<br /><br />But I draw the line at queueing up with the rest of the 'comrades' at two court cases to say, "Aye ye did..." and "Naw ye never..."<br /><br />This case is a monumental waste of time and money. That is become ing clearer. There are no great legal, noral or politica;l principles being fought out here. You are deluding yourself if you really think that.<br /><br />The NOTW and the Crown could have saved themselves a mountain of cash if they'd called it quits at the libel trial and saved us all from this farce of a case.<br /><br />The grand total of the costs would have been the NOTW losing £200.000 plus legal expenses and whatever they paid for witnesses to live it up in Edinburgh hotels.<br /><br />This a minor sectarian bunfight being played out in a court of law.<br /><br />It's an embarrassment.<br /><br />All sides in this case have done irreperable damage to the cause of the left in Scotland.<br /><br />...imho :o)Eraserheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-88447486242462900522010-12-03T14:36:03.623+00:002010-12-03T14:36:03.623+00:00Anon: 1.14pm
Why not choose a User name and put ...Anon: 1.14pm <br /><br />Why not choose a User name and put it in the Name/URL field so it is easier to continue and follow the debate. it is still anonymous. Try Papillon.<br /><br />Any heard the one about: The innocent man stays awake at night but the guilty man sleeps soundly. <br /><br />I think it likely that Gail was upset and holding her rosary beads as she is innocent. <br /><br />Catholics get a lot of comfort from holding them in stressful situations and in my distant past it gave me some comfort. It has a kind of meditative, soothing effect. <br /><br />Bit of legal advice for free. <br />If you are a socialist, Catholic, Black or Irish then stay silent as you can come across some very nasty bigoted types in police stations.<br /><br />Also.<br /><br />a) If you she was innocent (as the Crown indicate Gail may well be as they have so far dropped most of the charges against her) then not speaking for 5 hours is exactly what she should have done. Saying anything just gives the police a chance to approach other witnesses who they can intimidate and create a narrative (make stuff up) on the back of.<br /><br />b) If you are Guilty but dim don't say anything either.<br /><br />c) If you are Guilty but a genius you could make a few stories up to get them off the scent. But you need to be an evil genius Moriarty type before I would advise it.Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-17555464441174295002010-12-03T14:13:11.283+00:002010-12-03T14:13:11.283+00:00There is a huge difference between an accused pers...There is a huge difference between an accused person telling lies (to "get themselves off") and someone telling lies with a view to securing a conviction against an innocent person; likewise, a person defaming an other(s) solely for monetary gain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-84840566023462898912010-12-03T13:39:09.925+00:002010-12-03T13:39:09.925+00:00Anon 1:14
It seems very odd indeed, and I would l...Anon 1:14<br /><br />It seems very odd indeed, and I would like to hear an explanation for it.<br /><br />But what is even more disquieting is that the interrogating officer treated her strange behaviour as a pretext to suggest contacts with the IRA. In the present political climate, that's scary!<br /><br />Whatever the Sheridan case may be about, it surely (even in the mind of a policeman) can have nothing whatever to do with terrorism.CBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-78214198303726449332010-12-03T13:29:54.834+00:002010-12-03T13:29:54.834+00:00Totally agree Bunc.
The tragedy of this is that i...Totally agree Bunc.<br /><br />The tragedy of this is that it all could have been avoided. Even if acquitted, somehow I don't see much of a comeback. Some may be old enough to remember Jeremy Thorpe, the Liberal politician tried on charges relating to harassment of his alleged lover Norman Scott. He was acquitted, but his political career was over. The court of public opinion is less constrained by rules of evidence and procedure than the one in the Saltmarket.Rolo Tomasinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-36646458889645390832010-12-03T13:28:29.362+00:002010-12-03T13:28:29.362+00:00Steve - can your spell your opinions out a bit cle...Steve - can your spell your opinions out a bit clearer. We are all entitled to express our opinions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-84447465409057667412010-12-03T13:14:58.482+00:002010-12-03T13:14:58.482+00:00Staring at a wall for 5 hours, does well, in my op...Staring at a wall for 5 hours, does well, in my opinion seem a little bit ummm strange. What did the police want to know? Where was she on a specific date? Why not just tell them and get to hell out of there, if after all according to the Sheridans they have nothing to hide. You would expect a law-abiding citizen with NO CRIMINAL RECORD and a WEAN would want to clear a trivial matter up as quickly as possible. I can't even imagine a hardened criminal staring at a wall for 5 hours - that is some feat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-1736991303762923402010-12-03T13:01:14.765+00:002010-12-03T13:01:14.765+00:00Eraserhead -
It would indeed be solely a question ...Eraserhead -<br />It would indeed be solely a question of private morals IF TS had not chosen to take the NOTW to court for defamation.<br /><br />However by doing so HE made it a matter for the court. Perjury is one of the most serious offences because without a reasonable assumption that people will tell the truth in court ( even if it has to be wrangled out of them) then there can be no functioning court system.<br /><br />Some accussed people in criminal cases of course tell lies and of course they don't all get charged with perjury.<br /><br />The reason this case is different is that the system expects people to defend themselves in criminal cases and if they are found guilty ( ie disbelieved) then they get punsished anyway.<br /><br />However, this case started as a civil case brought by TS himself and he stood to gain financially from a succesfull outcome.<br /><br />Thta is also why so much energy has been expended investigating the case and bringing it to trial.<br /><br />To suggest that all this hapened somehow because of TS's profile as a leading socialist refelects an o'ermighty sense of self importance from some quarters I woudl suggest and a need to wear the tin foil hat a little more regularly.<br /><br />Alleged perjury for the sake of winning a defamtion case is a very significant matter - full stop.<br /><br />It has sweet hee-haw to do with morals and to suggest that it has demostrates a complete lack of understanding of what is going on here and completely misrepresents the case ( not intentionally I assume).<br /><br />TS was (allegedly) warned about all this by his party at the time - now wonder that (allegedly) so many of them are (allegedly) pissed of at him for his alleged perjury.Bunchttp://ayrshireblog.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-60699829317055552562010-12-03T12:28:45.310+00:002010-12-03T12:28:45.310+00:00In the light of Thursday's testimony, as repor...In the light of Thursday's testimony, as reported here and by the BBC/STV, I can now attribute believable motives to everyone involved.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see what the defence can do to change the cast of things thus far.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-89413334460225358492010-12-03T12:26:33.751+00:002010-12-03T12:26:33.751+00:00Eraser head,
The police interview lasted so long ...Eraser head,<br /><br />The police interview lasted so long because GS stared at a blank wall for 5 hours. Why? If what she said at the defamamtion trial was true then she could have simply stated that and left. Maybe some of the prosecution witnesses should have brought along their rosary beads - although a catholic myself i can only say, in my opinion, this routine seems designed to illicit jury sympathy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-90841498017468653992010-12-03T12:18:45.246+00:002010-12-03T12:18:45.246+00:00Eraser head
If the issue was just about consentin...Eraser head<br /><br />If the issue was just about consenting adults why did TS take court action in the first place. Are you really saying that it is ok to go to court commit perjury and call a lot of other people liars? Then proceed to make a lot of money from damages and stories printed in other tabloid newspaper (DR). Never mind the cost this trial has cost the Scottish public.Danny Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-61122374850990599982010-12-03T12:13:06.140+00:002010-12-03T12:13:06.140+00:00Are the by "hook or by crookers" right t...Are the by "hook or by crookers" right then and we can expect a verdict round about next Friday 10th December?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-80114555153004157262010-12-03T11:49:22.623+00:002010-12-03T11:49:22.623+00:00Clive is absolutely correct.
THIS IS ABOUT WHETHE...Clive is absolutely correct.<br /><br />THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER MR. AND MRS. SHERIDAN LIED AT THEIR TRIAL IN EDINBURGH AND NOTHING ELSE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com