tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post4543414984888027771..comments2023-06-26T15:18:06.600+01:00Comments on The Sheridan Trial: Monday 25 October Morning session, Gary ClarkUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-63155302192729064052010-10-26T22:07:09.963+01:002010-10-26T22:07:09.963+01:00Well Katrine Trolle did, we have to assume McNeila...Well Katrine Trolle did, we have to assume McNeilage did if he got £200,000, I cant see a paper paying out that much without it going through their lawyers, and we dont yet know whether others did or not.<br /><br />And I didnt restrict my comment to SSP witnesses only, I was referring to the general theme here about NotW lawyers talking to witnesses.<br /><br />I agree that there might not be anything wrong with this practice, where it becomes a problem is when Trolle and others speak to the lawyers and then come to court identifying pictures that the lawyers showed her, and changing her evidence to an entirely new date.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-48347192034874472122010-10-26T15:56:01.371+01:002010-10-26T15:56:01.371+01:00"The point is not whether they are allowed or..."The point is not whether they are allowed or not, the pattern seen in court is people changing their original evidence after talking to NotW lawyers."<br /><br />But the SSP witnesses didn't talk to the NOTW lawyers...Shugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-63046896434541548572010-10-26T09:30:05.695+01:002010-10-26T09:30:05.695+01:00"News of the World's lawyers wanted to ta..."News of the World's lawyers wanted to talk to people about the appeal, which is allowed."<br /><br />I don`t think so. As there was a police investigation going on it could be alleged witness tampering by NotW was taken place. Even more sinister was the case involved NotW. If this were another case and the potentially accused person went around to see witnesses that person would get arrested for perverting the course of justice, it has happened before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-62075309354068147832010-10-26T09:28:14.932+01:002010-10-26T09:28:14.932+01:00The point is not whether they are allowed or not, ...The point is not whether they are allowed or not, the pattern seen in court is people changing their original evidence after talking to NotW lawyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-89981040760040505882010-10-26T00:51:19.942+01:002010-10-26T00:51:19.942+01:00Are NotW allowed to approach witnesses while an in...Are NotW allowed to approach witnesses while an investigation by the police is going on?. I would be amazed if they are?.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-17611169733477830432010-10-26T00:43:26.236+01:002010-10-26T00:43:26.236+01:00Yes, the PERJURY case is a police and PF matter, b...Yes, the PERJURY case is a police and PF matter, but the News of the World's lawyers wanted to talk to people about the appeal, which is allowed. AFAIK SSP witnesses have refused to offer precognition to them or indeed to Sheridan's solicitors.Shugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-31821554102145501782010-10-26T00:34:13.348+01:002010-10-26T00:34:13.348+01:00I remember going to a mainstream busy club in Glas...I remember going to a mainstream busy club in Glasgow about ten years ago that showed porn on large screens in the bar before you got into the dancing. This was in Glasgow city centre, was "trendy" and not a sex club! Not that I condone porn in any way,but thats what I saw.Lorrainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-63818964769947797542010-10-26T00:31:13.276+01:002010-10-26T00:31:13.276+01:00"That's just silly."
You don`t unde..."That's just silly."<br /><br />You don`t understand!. It became an investigation by the police. NotW just made an appeal, but the investigation as to perjury was NOT made by NotW, but the first judge. NotW are a newspaper NOT the police.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-41420171668949860862010-10-26T00:14:53.915+01:002010-10-26T00:14:53.915+01:00How can the news of the world's appeal be noth...How can the news of the world's appeal be nothing to do with the news of the world?<br /><br />That's just silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-45030154315869052492010-10-26T00:06:15.430+01:002010-10-26T00:06:15.430+01:00"The NOTW are appealing the decision in the o..."The NOTW are appealing the decision in the original court case. That would give them a legitimate reason to approach witnesses."<br /><br />NO!. It does NOT. It became a police matter, NOTHING to do with NotW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-16609545650347894032010-10-25T23:47:50.903+01:002010-10-25T23:47:50.903+01:00'Anonymous said...
The truely worrying trend ...'Anonymous said... <br />The truely worrying trend is that the NotW seem to have approached nearly all the witnesses.<br />Surely there should be a £3 million police investigation into that.<br /><br />October 25, 2010 8:12 PM'<br /><br />The NOTW are appealing the decision in the original court case. That would give them a legitimate reason to approach witnesses.hard casenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-66911655967022784912010-10-25T23:46:11.517+01:002010-10-25T23:46:11.517+01:00"He was also asked if he had even been approa..."He was also asked if he had even been approached by journalists from the NotW which he said he had."<br /><br />What can you say!. <br /><br />After listening to Gary Clark testified, this case against ts has gone, each day, more and more along the road of farcical. Today it cross the line into the ludacris.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-9944236912394768882010-10-25T23:31:10.462+01:002010-10-25T23:31:10.462+01:00Confused# "sounds as though he may have atten...Confused# "sounds as though he may have attended the SSP cultural festival then!"<br /><br />LMAOjim mcleannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-50921611655580241482010-10-25T23:22:34.441+01:002010-10-25T23:22:34.441+01:00The issue of his alcoholism and mental ilness was ...The issue of his alcoholism and mental ilness was mentioned by Clarke in his statement and by the porsecution. As he himself makes a point of it, Sheridan is right to highlight this, it is the witnesses axcuse for not having any details.<br /><br />But, in general, I agree with the points about mental health issues. Witnesses like Carolyn Leckie and others have been doing this since the start of the case, trying to paint Sheridan as mentally ill. I am sure, like an earlier poster said that people are not comfortable with this but mental health charities see this in court all of the time, so they won't be surprised and wont have anything to say after this.Heidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-90166250210183777632010-10-25T22:34:27.367+01:002010-10-25T22:34:27.367+01:00You need to remember that Gary Clarke is a support...You need to remember that Gary Clarke is a supporter of Sheridan, to the point of clearly refusing to say anything to police/lawyers until it was clear this was going to come to court. Whether you all like it or not, this is incredibly significant. It may not be in the grand scheme of however many million witnesses are going to be called for both sides, but it's significant to SheridanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-31168130431296611552010-10-25T22:30:51.589+01:002010-10-25T22:30:51.589+01:00# In fact, isn't it a bit odd that the chap di...# In fact, isn't it a bit odd that the chap didn't mention any actual sexual activity, nudity, anything like that!? #<br /><br />No, he is describing a classic alcohol drug based blackout. Alcohold and other drugs effects (AODE) have been well researched. From the moment he started knocking back the voddies to when he came too, nothing. This is due to the intoxicants stopping the transformation of short term memories to long term ones due to the a failure in the brains decoding abilities. The best way to access someone's lost memories would to be get them drunk again when they trickle back but disappear on regaining sobriety.jim mcleannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-56075316816611241372010-10-25T22:28:05.778+01:002010-10-25T22:28:05.778+01:00Gary Clark seems to remember getting into a car dr...Gary Clark seems to remember getting into a car driven by TS, remembers going for a long journey, remembers watching porn on tv, then remembers waking up in Glasgow...<br /><br />..sounds as though he may have attended the SSP cultural festival then!confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-53659127648344822152010-10-25T22:16:27.013+01:002010-10-25T22:16:27.013+01:00"Mr Sheridan then turned to Mr Clark's po..."Mr Sheridan then turned to Mr Clark's police statements and put it to Mr Clark that some of his reponses suggested that the police were "suggesting things to him" and that these suggestions had "filled in spaces in his memory."<br /><br />I was thinking that before coming to the above.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-71963864191645264112010-10-25T22:10:12.854+01:002010-10-25T22:10:12.854+01:00'the shrink'
Good point. Mind you if you ...'the shrink'<br /><br />Good point. Mind you if you watch a Lady Gaga or beyonce video clip you could argue it was 'porn'.Dementia Rulesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-74151995925339133432010-10-25T22:05:39.469+01:002010-10-25T22:05:39.469+01:00I must admit in the 70 & 80's I had one o...I must admit in the 70 & 80's I had one or two weekends like Gary's myself, abundant alcohol on top of prescribed drugs, that little warning label is like a red rag to a bull, went out for a pint in Helensburgh on a Friday and woke up in London on a Sunday. (I had a railway pass) He sounds genuine to me.jim mcleannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-85900130304715452832010-10-25T21:13:55.638+01:002010-10-25T21:13:55.638+01:00I've lived in Manchester for all my life.
I k...I've lived in Manchester for all my life.<br /><br />I know of at least two clubs that showed porn on the TV screens - Jilly's Rockworld being one of them.<br /><br />A bunch of rock clubs across the UK do the same. It's not an indication of it being a sex club at all.<br /><br />In fact, isn't it a bit odd that the chap didn't mention any actual sexual activity, nudity, anything like that!?<br /><br />He remembered the TV but not the naked people!? This seems strange to me.<br /><br />The only possible way I would remember porn being on a TV is if I WASN'T in a sex club! If I was in a sex club it'd be last thing I remembered!<br /><br />The shrink xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-32255861535652452852010-10-25T21:08:20.649+01:002010-10-25T21:08:20.649+01:00>>"well, since you're a "shrin...>>"well, since you're a "shrink" you should offer ts your expert assistance"<br /><br />the idea that any Doctor DOESN'T know that, is laughable!<br /><br />I don't think I sound anything like an expert....except on here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-44516247324257097032010-10-25T20:52:27.201+01:002010-10-25T20:52:27.201+01:00"i'm a shrink and have a fairly good know..."i'm a shrink and have a fairly good knowledge of this."<br /><br />well, since you're a "shrink" you should offer ts your expert assistance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-52682212834788794132010-10-25T20:50:49.190+01:002010-10-25T20:50:49.190+01:00Alcohol and prescribed drugs do affect our memory ...Alcohol and prescribed drugs do affect our memory and our ability to think coherantly, that's why we are not allowed to drink and drive or drive under the influence of drugs! <br />This witness appears to have a different memory of events before, during and after the alledged visit to cupids!Dementia Rulesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-69040096753475491182010-10-25T20:44:07.124+01:002010-10-25T20:44:07.124+01:00you can't mix antidepressants with alcohol, le...you can't mix antidepressants with alcohol, let alone a bottle of vodka. <br /><br />i'm a shrink, and have a fairly good knowledge of this! it would affect his memory, judgement, health, everything.<br /><br />in addition, being in the middle of a moderate episode of mental ill-health would again affect one's judgement and recall.<br /><br />it's not being discriminatory, and is in fact a legitimate explanation for dangerous/ofensive behaviour for those who are unfortuante to suffer with such illnesses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com