tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post7130946238385978181..comments2023-06-26T15:18:06.600+01:00Comments on The Sheridan Trial: Brett HarperUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-83175816474808825412010-12-14T13:20:06.207+00:002010-12-14T13:20:06.207+00:00Boomerang said...
This person could have been a ve...Boomerang said...<br />This person could have been a very strong witness for Mr. Sheridan - especially with regards dates/times etc.<br /><br />That said, I can't help but think that the refusal to give the police a statement and the comments attributed to him regarding the state's intentions towards Mr. & Mrs. Sheridan could well undermine his value.<br /><br />It could well be that he is interpreted as being unduly partisan.<br /><br />December 14, 2010 10:08 AM<br /><br />That may be the case however the Jury could interpret that other witnesses have been unduly hostile. There seems to be some confusion in exercising a right that is legally yours, to someone being proactive in supplying statements.Legally Challengednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-2879943796743142952010-12-14T11:51:07.646+00:002010-12-14T11:51:07.646+00:00If Steven is correct, LB will probably iNstruct th...If Steven is correct, LB will probably iNstruct the jury and summarise on the same day as Sheridan, I don't think the jury will take long on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-12467950183064485952010-12-14T10:08:38.678+00:002010-12-14T10:08:38.678+00:00This person could have been a very strong witness ...This person could have been a very strong witness for Mr. Sheridan - especially with regards dates/times etc.<br /><br />That said, I can't help but think that the refusal to give the police a statement and the comments attributed to him regarding the state's intentions towards Mr. & Mrs. Sheridan could well undermine his value.<br /><br />It could well be that he is interpreted as being unduly partisan.Boomerangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-26988586269837994382010-12-14T01:03:33.226+00:002010-12-14T01:03:33.226+00:00If say Lord B doesn't begin his Charge until F...If say Lord B doesn't begin his Charge until Friday I can't see the Jury beginning deliberations on the Friday - that could be construed as "rushing the Jury into a verdict" before Xmas/Luncheon.The Late Lord Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-72178968071073739302010-12-14T00:44:53.296+00:002010-12-14T00:44:53.296+00:00Lord B will charge the jury after the defence do t...Lord B will charge the jury after the defence do their summation. <br /><br />How long that will take I have no idea. Usually, it would be quite short - an hour maybe, but for this case, who knows?Whatsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08204921386892706588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-81538680334054731062010-12-14T00:28:56.186+00:002010-12-14T00:28:56.186+00:00What about Lord Bracdale's summing up, where w...What about Lord Bracdale's summing up, where would that fit into the time-line, then allowing time for the jury's deliberation. Going to be tight to get out of there for Xmas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-46477185734359394952010-12-14T00:14:45.296+00:002010-12-14T00:14:45.296+00:00This, like Ms Trolles story about the 'cultura...This, like Ms Trolles story about the 'cultural festival' seems to be another example of police just accepting her story without checking the events.<br /><br />I hope that they didnt get too cosy over coffee and doughnuts to remember what they were supposed to be doing.<br /><br />And the guy from the Met highlights a very different attitude to pursuing the NotW than Lothian police had to pursuing Sheridan.<br /><br />Another good day for the defence.<br /><br />I heard today that we can expect the defence to finish on Friday with Prentice summing up for the prosecution on Monday, Sheridan summing up for the defence on Wednesday next week.Stevennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-45086521729133514252010-12-13T23:40:56.961+00:002010-12-13T23:40:56.961+00:00It's about convincing a jury that your are inn...It's about convincing a jury that your are innocent especially when you have the NOW etc against you! If this evidence is available TS should presented it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-24820334118767658702010-12-13T23:24:00.147+00:002010-12-13T23:24:00.147+00:00Anonymous said...
What I can't understand abou...Anonymous said...<br />What I can't understand about the way TS is going about presenting his evidence is all we have at the moment is one side saying something and the other countering it.<br /><br />If TS was speaking at a meeting in Aberdeen you would have thought there would be a booking form for the hall, a leaflet advertising the meeting etc etc. Did he present any of this as evidence?<br /><br />Why should he, he has a witness who stated he was present.<br />I can not remember any Crown witnesses having to provide such back up to their statments.<br />As for "one side saying something and the other countering it" I believe thats what happens in courts most days.<br />It is up to the Jury to work through this issue.Legally Challengednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-49342643119397960622010-12-13T23:02:27.901+00:002010-12-13T23:02:27.901+00:00What I can't understand about the way TS is go...What I can't understand about the way TS is going about presenting his evidence is all we have at the moment is one side saying something and the other countering it.<br /><br />If TS was speaking at a meeting in Aberdeen you would have thought there would be a booking form for the hall, a leaflet advertising the meeting etc etc. Did he present any of this as evidence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-33038780390982164832010-12-13T22:10:57.931+00:002010-12-13T22:10:57.931+00:00Anon said...
This not giving a statement though is...Anon said...<br />This not giving a statement though is a bit like the right to remain silent, you are well within your rights but can rightly or wrongly be used to suggest an ulterior motive, and indeed some, rightly or wrongly, may draw a negative inference.<br /><br />December 13, 2010 8:11 PM<br /><br />It is not a statute that requires you to provide statements to the police, you are however compeled to attend court if cited as a witness.<br />I beleive that Mr Harper has simply exercised his right in this regard and nothing else.<br />You may be forgiven in the belief that Socialists will stampede over each other in an effort to support the state, given that so many in this case have appeared to do just that, there are others who will exercise their rights not to Mr. Harper IMO is one who has exercised that right.<br />From my reading of this blog he appears to be another witness who has a different view around certain events than other witnesses.Legally Challengednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-50165016588278865552010-12-13T21:39:13.992+00:002010-12-13T21:39:13.992+00:00You can assume anon that other the ones asked why ...You can assume anon that other the ones asked why the did not they did. Mr Gonzales was asked about his today.Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-47889749299570651952010-12-13T21:37:57.030+00:002010-12-13T21:37:57.030+00:00Have any of the defence witnesses given a statemen...Have any of the defence witnesses given a statement to the Crown/Police?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-51912983684046796442010-12-13T21:04:04.335+00:002010-12-13T21:04:04.335+00:00The danger with giving evidence to the prosecution...The danger with giving evidence to the prosecution, such as dates, is that if they see that you have an alibi for an event, they can simply move the date they are alleging against you to a different date to nullify your alibi evidence. Had Brett told them what his evidence was, I bet the date 11th October would bot been raised as significant by the prosecution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-23731920878353615132010-12-13T20:44:29.196+00:002010-12-13T20:44:29.196+00:00Regardless of the ins and outs of this trial in my...Regardless of the ins and outs of this trial in my opinion the Police have a bloody cheek coming round (knocking your door 3 times a day for a fortnight) before the trial in order to obtain a statement to aid the Crown. The same Crown that NEVER supply, unless forced to (the a judge/sheriff), precognition statements by Crown witnesses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-21679395477935762052010-12-13T20:20:51.946+00:002010-12-13T20:20:51.946+00:00James, thanks for that the date in question is the...James, thanks for that the date in question is the 11 th. Did Ms Trolle really say it was the 24th, as that is what you have written down when asked by the prosecution?keith79noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-46929578228029693042010-12-13T20:15:38.686+00:002010-12-13T20:15:38.686+00:00It's on the 24th of NOVEMBER 2001(2) that Katr...It's on the 24th of NOVEMBER 2001(2) that Katrine Trolle alleges that she had sex in the city chambers with TS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-87271687665082605232010-12-13T20:11:38.582+00:002010-12-13T20:11:38.582+00:00This not giving a statement though is a bit like t...This not giving a statement though is a bit like the right to remain silent, you are well within your rights but can rightly or wrongly be used to suggest an ulterior motive, and indeed some, rightly or wrongly, may draw a negative inference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-29318863842913946142010-12-13T20:10:19.174+00:002010-12-13T20:10:19.174+00:00I think you are getting your events mixed up Keith...I think you are getting your events mixed up Keith, see here<br /><br />http://sheridantrial.blogspot.com/2010/10/26-october-ralph-barnett.htmlJames Dolemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774046346905734191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-62227493521082323772010-12-13T20:09:28.299+00:002010-12-13T20:09:28.299+00:00It is kind of obvious that if you don't give a...It is kind of obvious that if you don't give a statement to the Police it does hamstring the Crown somewhat since the effectively have to cross-examine on the hoof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-35224925704459990902010-12-13T20:04:50.161+00:002010-12-13T20:04:50.161+00:00James could you please check the dates. In your re...James could you please check the dates. In your report from Ms Trolle's evidence you quote the 24th. The report of Tommy's cross,w ritten by Whatse (have I got that right) says Tommy was in Duncan's brother's flat the same night. Your report of Brett Haperper's testimony says the 11th, a slip of the pen?keith79noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-49305825474006953192010-12-13T19:57:14.740+00:002010-12-13T19:57:14.740+00:00The train tickets were dated 11 Oct, but all that ...The train tickets were dated 11 Oct, but all that would be doing was confirming that TS was in Aberdeen except he is suggesting that he was not with Katrine Trolle but elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-8058082831748101562010-12-13T19:51:40.268+00:002010-12-13T19:51:40.268+00:00Also worth remembering the train tickets that AP p...Also worth remembering the train tickets that AP produced when Ralph Barnett was in the stand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-29559607252825894682010-12-13T19:34:13.778+00:002010-12-13T19:34:13.778+00:00I don't understand 11th Oct 2004 - I thought M...I don't understand 11th Oct 2004 - I thought Ms Trolle suggested a date of 24th Oct. Did she claim 11th Oct?also anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-46663041696538740332010-12-13T19:33:40.608+00:002010-12-13T19:33:40.608+00:00It is unfortunate that he would not speak to the p...It is unfortunate that he would not speak to the police prior to giving evidence though, as it might put another slant on the date of the alleged stay in Dundee, which the Dundee couple seemed uncertain of, though not of the fact that it had occured.<br /><br />As it was, AP was reduced to using TS's line about 'here to help a friend'.Stevenoreply@blogger.com