tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post7677835687495009018..comments2023-06-26T15:18:06.600+01:00Comments on The Sheridan Trial: George McNeilage Testimony Part TwoUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-64111994641967189622010-11-11T22:27:48.470+00:002010-11-11T22:27:48.470+00:00anon 1.32 he lied when he said from jail " I...anon 1.32 he lied when he said from jail " I took my stand on the clear position that the Scottish Socialist Party, like all democratic organisations, has the right to hold private discussions on sensitive matters and for those discussions to remain confidential"<br /><br />No matter what is in the affidavit, it is clear that he had already breached that right.<br /><br />you can read his full statement at http://web.archive.org/web/20060808192517/www.scottishsocialistparty.info/2006/05/alan-mccombes-statement.htmlRU seriesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-75660526041228849962010-11-10T17:38:22.999+00:002010-11-10T17:38:22.999+00:00Anon 1.32
Have you actually read what was in the ...Anon 1.32<br /><br />Have you actually read what was in the afadavit?<br /><br />The fact that such an afadavit exists and has been provided to news media, following an internal meeting is the question not the contents of afadavit.<br />For a proposed democratic party to sustain and promote such activites was reason enough for me to leave.<br />I myself would not use the mechanism of the system which looks for and exploits weakness in any given situation to improve their lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-73441669697226466622010-11-10T13:32:36.852+00:002010-11-10T13:32:36.852+00:00Have you actually read what was in the affadavit?Have you actually read what was in the affadavit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-12109189905507639322010-11-09T21:42:24.891+00:002010-11-09T21:42:24.891+00:00No, i meant that McCombes lied about the affidavit...No, i meant that McCombes lied about the affidavit when he said he went to jail to protect the parties right to keep meetings confidential. He had breached that confidentiality 2 years earlier. When he said he would defend the right to confidentiality he knew that he wouldnt, when it suited his agendaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-62697757523432069452010-11-09T18:21:51.568+00:002010-11-09T18:21:51.568+00:00Anon 5.22
Your comment undelines clearly my point...Anon 5.22 <br />Your comment undelines clearly my point re. selectivity. For a group to call out liar liar and as you say keeping schtum about their own truth avoidance in my opinion a selective process.<br />Anon 4.40Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-54189060720044501242010-11-09T17:22:17.959+00:002010-11-09T17:22:17.959+00:00Anon - keeping your mouth shut and telling a lie a...Anon - keeping your mouth shut and telling a lie are two entirely different things. In a lot of circumstances if you can't tell the truth it is better to keep schtum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-36620957163030098502010-11-09T16:40:53.522+00:002010-11-09T16:40:53.522+00:00Dear Jock perhaps you could re consider what defin...Dear Jock perhaps you could re consider what defines a lie.<br />People who deliberately withold pertenent iformation that has been requested by the membership and wolud have continued this deception until recent relevations can be considered less than truthful.<br />Being selective in what is considered true does not bode well especially from a grouping who have made such heavy weather around other peoples veracity Scottish Selective Pravda now abounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-52549001087497329272010-11-09T09:29:42.619+00:002010-11-09T09:29:42.619+00:00Alan McCombes lied about the affidavit Jock! We n...Alan McCombes lied about the affidavit Jock! We now all know thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-188533015300185362010-11-08T23:53:10.569+00:002010-11-08T23:53:10.569+00:00Bored of you said...
"Well that's a ...Bored of you said...<br /><br /> "Well that's a helluva misquote. I feel sorry for anyone who spends their life desperately trying to prove that Scotland's most successful socialist party is finished. Some of us have more important things to worry about, like building it<br /> November 7, 2010 5:31 PM" <br /><br />I agree that the latter quote about wasting ten years of time is a misquote...she was implying that "we'd" wasted ten years, in the sense of the left in general. However she did in fact admit that the SSP project lay in ruins at the RMT Conference on Political Representation...ask around from a few folk who were there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-1638833743925675872010-11-08T20:54:55.901+00:002010-11-08T20:54:55.901+00:00In reply to Jock
jock tamsons bairn said...
In re...In reply to Jock<br />jock tamsons bairn said... <br />In reply to anonymous 2:21<br />No one lied to me. Can you be more specific as to the lies? I am only aware of the Executive Committee trying to protect a fellow socialist by allegedly holding back information to protect him. <br /><br />So In your world it is possible for an E.C to protect a socialist by holding back information if that were true why are the main players in this doing the complete opposite? perhaps the wrong socialist maybe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-83346210150716416852010-11-07T20:17:48.226+00:002010-11-07T20:17:48.226+00:00Jock Tameson's Bairn 7.25pm "That the lit...Jock Tameson's Bairn 7.25pm "That the little man in the street knows the truth just by looking at the evidence."<br /><br />Obviously Tam you don't think yourself as a "little man". With an attitude like that you're not much of a socialist either.justaglasgowguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-71766584641423732682010-11-07T19:06:53.020+00:002010-11-07T19:06:53.020+00:00to anonymous 7:12
If what you say is true then th...to anonymous 7:12 <br />If what you say is true then this is a tragedy brought about this court case and this has destroyed the left in Scotland for years to come. <br /><br />I however don't believe this as socialism is a way of life like a religion to many and and our only only hope for a decent future for our children and grandchildren.jock tamsons bairnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-15363164750216533242010-11-07T18:44:00.678+00:002010-11-07T18:44:00.678+00:00In reply to anonymous 2:21
No one lied to me. Can...In reply to anonymous 2:21<br />No one lied to me. Can you be more specific as to the lies? I am only aware of the Executive Committee trying to protect a fellow socialist by allegedly holding back information to protect him. <br /> <br />The split from the members who left the party was not what caused the trauma it was having to put everything on the back burner for a stupid court case and the name calling from the people who left our party.<br /><br />There are those in the Scottish left who like the miners will never forget and never forgive the damage that was done.jock tamsons bairnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-66352777056577105432010-11-07T18:12:09.026+00:002010-11-07T18:12:09.026+00:00The last election proved the SSP was finished, It...The last election proved the SSP was finished, It only exists now to finish the job they did on Sheridan, meanwhile the rest of the scottish left attempt to regroup into some sort of election coalition, the SSP are on the outside looking in. This trial has shown them up for what they are, no-one will ever trust them again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-74329360957613276252010-11-07T16:31:45.751+00:002010-11-07T16:31:45.751+00:00Well that's a helluva misquote. I feel sorry f...Well that's a helluva misquote. I feel sorry for anyone who spends their life desperately trying to prove that Scotland's most successful socialist party is finished. Some of us have more important things to worry about, like building itBored of younoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-65272333078340026662010-11-07T14:37:24.280+00:002010-11-07T14:37:24.280+00:00Frances Curran made those comments at the RMT spon...Frances Curran made those comments at the RMT sponsored conference in Glasgow at the beginning of October.<br /><br />I believe she made similar remarks yesterday at the recall of that conference to discuss an electoral alliance for next Mays Scottish elections. She also seemingly said that she had wasted 10 years of her life trying to build the sspAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-90988499919695736772010-11-07T13:53:29.985+00:002010-11-07T13:53:29.985+00:00What are you even talking about?What are you even talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-28484439602202587112010-11-07T01:21:25.868+00:002010-11-07T01:21:25.868+00:00possibly, but it is 4 years since they split so it...possibly, but it is 4 years since they split so its time to get over the trauma, and Leckie and McCombes have admitted in court to deceiving all of you. How will you get over that trauma?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-19247155696210221642010-11-06T18:25:06.329+00:002010-11-06T18:25:06.329+00:00Anonymous said...
The SSP are finished. they ...Anonymous said...<br /><br /> The SSP are finished. they are lready tearing themselves apart as members are angry at McCombes and Leckie for their deceipt.<br /><br /> No-one will ever trust them again<br /><br />Are you sure of this? <br /><br />As a rank and file member of the SSP I can assure you that the SSP is far from finished, It is suffering from a post trauma depression but will recover stronger and more determined than ever I for one would like to thank my comrades pulled into this train crash and assure them That the little man in the street knows the truth just by looking at the evidence. <br /> My heart has been ripped from my chest but If my comrades are guilty of anything it is putting all their eggs in one basketJock Tamesons Bairnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-2112535279715621042010-11-06T18:16:23.159+00:002010-11-06T18:16:23.159+00:00Out of interest Luke, when exactly did Curran make...Out of interest Luke, when exactly did Curran make these comments?Iagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-90699524722699836342010-11-06T18:14:24.459+00:002010-11-06T18:14:24.459+00:00Some estimates have put the SSP's membership a...Some estimates have put the SSP's membership at 300-400. Those who remain are a hard core, who don't believe that the McCoombes-Curran-Leckie wing made any mistakes at any point, and that 100% of the blame for the death of the Scottish left lies with Sheridan and his supporters. Everyone else has stopped listening (forget about paper sales, derisory results in local elections etc).<br /><br />As for Solidarity, it has seemingly ceased to exist, to be replaced by a succession of different Trade Union political fronts.Iagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-45732202909659752312010-11-06T13:53:25.296+00:002010-11-06T13:53:25.296+00:00Anon 11:41, Anon 11:29 was clearly talking about t...Anon 11:41, Anon 11:29 was clearly talking about the SSP's minutes and other private conversations they have repeated in court. This is why any possible trust the public could have in them has been queried in this instance. Anon 11:29 clearly was not referring to Tommy being in the SSP.<br /><br />Anon 2:22, The SSP co-convener Frances Curren announced publically at a 'Crisis in Working Class Representation' conference that the 'SSP project lay in rubble and the court case will be very bad for the party'. In my opinion that is an admission from the main spekesperson that the party was finished. You disagree?Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011239534190256700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-77903328833615290702010-11-06T13:22:13.846+00:002010-11-06T13:22:13.846+00:00Anon 1.56, aye keep dreaming palAnon 1.56, aye keep dreaming palAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-77100451884583443672010-11-06T12:56:56.979+00:002010-11-06T12:56:56.979+00:00The SSP are finished. they are lready tearing the...The SSP are finished. they are lready tearing themselves apart as members are angry at McCombes and Leckie for their deceipt.<br /><br />No-one will ever trust them againAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-16947503408993831782010-11-05T23:41:59.928+00:002010-11-05T23:41:59.928+00:00Anon 11.29pm, what on earth are you talking about?...Anon 11.29pm, what on earth are you talking about? This very clearly has nothing to do with the SSP - this cross examination was conducted by Tommy Sheridan who is clearly and categorically NOT a member of the SSP.<br /><br />Accuse Tommy Sheridan of whatever you want, but you can never call him a member of the SSP as this is blatantly not true. TS and TS alone must answer for whatever opinions you hold of the way he has behavedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com