tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post8251499295766693829..comments2023-06-26T15:18:06.600+01:00Comments on The Sheridan Trial: Operation CaryatidUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-77420947237516964292011-01-26T11:45:41.028+00:002011-01-26T11:45:41.028+00:00Following the p-i-m on Twitter.Amazing.
It sounds...Following the p-i-m on Twitter.Amazing.<br /><br />It sounds like he's on his game and has swotted up on comparatives- credit to the man for that.<br /><br />Not much time seems to have been spent on recommendations arising from the Social Enquiry Report bar that he's 'low-risk' of re-offending. The judge may have more to say on that??Say It Ain't So Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-25062317557079411172011-01-26T08:16:39.797+00:002011-01-26T08:16:39.797+00:00TS appeared, from my limited exposure to what he s...TS appeared, from my limited exposure to what he said, to be making a parallel non-legally-specific case to the jury that basically amounted to "they've all got it infamy". In that context, both the phone-hacking and the apparent limitations of the police investigation are significant.<br /><br />What they don't actually amount to is evidence that what TS said, on affirmation, in the libel trial was what he believed to be true. But, if the jury believe you to be innocent (in the face of the evidence) or sufficiently hard-done-to that they are willing to go for the long-honoured route of a perverse acquital then that is a reasonable strategy.<br /><br />Or, of course, he could honestly believe that "the Man" is so frightened by the charisma of TS ex-MSP, that there is a huge conspiracy to bring him down. Involving the SSP, NI, the Met, L&B and the Procurator Fiscal. Not to mention TS himself, who chose to bring the libel case.Surreptitious Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393411103584747731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-25470127631329965312011-01-25T19:28:24.069+00:002011-01-25T19:28:24.069+00:00Yulefae,
Re 4.40. That's right.
I was speaking...Yulefae,<br />Re 4.40. That's right.<br />I was speaking in hypothetical terms.<br />Certain things have to be said in certain ways so as to nudge the court towards a particular disposal. That needs to be done in any case where the offender's continued liberty is in the hands of the court.<br /> I don't know what Tommy Sheridan's p-i-m is going to say but yes, I ventured that if certain lines were to be over-emphasised in the p-i-m then the hands of the court could be tied a bit.<br /><br />To emphasise what I have said before - I don't think that if the court stops short of custody then justice would not be served.<br /><br />Not sure if this will appear at all but I hope that I have clarified that I don't know what TS will say. I do have a view on what he ought not though...Say It Ain't So Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-55722372879613002382011-01-25T17:57:45.282+00:002011-01-25T17:57:45.282+00:00Aye, it's a gamble for a hypothetical convicte...Aye, it's a gamble for a hypothetical convicted person:<br /><br />1. 'Fess up and there is the chance of leaving by the front door with your loving wife and off home to your wee girl<br /><br />2. Maintain your "innocence" and most likely receive porridge.<br /><br />OR<br /><br />3. ' Fess up and STILL leave by the back door.<br /><br /><br />What a tough one to call!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-86446730545951241692011-01-25T17:42:51.001+00:002011-01-25T17:42:51.001+00:00Anon 2 - Ignore what the papers say - it's def...Anon 2 - Ignore what the papers say - it's definitely Glasgow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-87473768407888285812011-01-25T17:37:53.811+00:002011-01-25T17:37:53.811+00:00@ Paw - as far as I am aware Sheridan has no legal...@ Paw - as far as I am aware Sheridan has no legal representative to address the court on his behalf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-49911684249960265312011-01-25T16:40:13.779+00:002011-01-25T16:40:13.779+00:00Say It Ain't Joe said...
When faced with an o...Say It Ain't Joe said...<br /><br />When faced with an offender whose position is 'wisnae me', 'the verdict's a joke' or 'It's not a crime anyway' the court's options become somewhat limited<br /><br />Am i,m missing something?<br />a,ve not heard or read a stastement from TS saying this,a think you will need to wait to here his plea in mit first to suggest he is going down that roadyulefaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14720758140116316993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-34615614561208503052011-01-25T15:20:51.056+00:002011-01-25T15:20:51.056+00:002.16.
Don't come on here with your logical li...2.16.<br /><br />Don't come on here with your logical line of questioning. A News of the World journalist was jailed for being involved in the hacking of Prince William's phone. How, then, can Tommy Sheridan be guilty of perjury?<br />Really, some people.Sarcastic Alexandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-28999904477277279352011-01-25T15:03:32.412+00:002011-01-25T15:03:32.412+00:00Am off to Cyprus tomos so will miss the hulabaloo,...Am off to Cyprus tomos so will miss the hulabaloo,but in all honesty i want ts to be given a fair crack of the whip,pardon the pun.<br /><br />As peter said the papers seem to think they are right as usual,there are allsorts of disposals at LB,S disposal,maybe a seat at holyrood,wake the place up.<br /><br />It was just last week they Murdoch Machine had the landlord in the JO case guiltyyulefaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14720758140116316993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-84993805802377247452011-01-25T14:45:11.074+00:002011-01-25T14:45:11.074+00:00That's the rub Anon 2.16 p.m. Whilst there has...That's the rub Anon 2.16 p.m. Whilst there has been much said since 23rd December nothing in the nature of 'startling new evidence' has been which should colour the jury's verdict in any way.<br /><br />I agree with Peter (it had to happen some time) that it would be sensible for the court to give full consideration to non-custodial, community based disposals. As a general point a court can, however , only impose a Probation Order where the offender appearing before it indicates that they are willing to address their offending behaviour as part of the order. <br /><br />When faced with an offender whose position is 'wisnae me', 'the verdict's a joke' or 'It's not a crime anyway' the court's options become somewhat limited.<br /><br />Much will depend on what is before the court tomorrow in the form of background reports and what is said in any plea-in-mitigation.<br /><br />It remains my hope that Mr Sheridan plays a safety-first strategy of getting Counsel to deliver the plea-in-mitigation. The stakes are clearly high and the right words said in the right way could have a profoundly positive effect.Say It Ain't Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-71056250922173859392011-01-25T14:43:29.902+00:002011-01-25T14:43:29.902+00:00Critical Eye
Was the phone hacking an example of ...Critical Eye<br /><br />Was the phone hacking an example of the left wing tendency to infringe the law?<br /><br />Allegations have been made of payments by newspapers to police officers in return for personal information about individuals. Do you exclude the possibility of this on the grounds that such law breaking is the preserve of the left?CBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-36874238850071767982011-01-25T14:16:52.552+00:002011-01-25T14:16:52.552+00:00Could someone explain to me, why - even if the NOT...Could someone explain to me, why - even if the NOTW are guilty of phone hacking - this should have any bearing on whether or not TS committed perjury, and why it should have any bearing on the sentence passed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-66791263226888694362011-01-25T14:01:20.520+00:002011-01-25T14:01:20.520+00:00To date, there is no evidence that TS's phone ...To date, there is no evidence that TS's phone was hacked. Certainly, none was presented in Court.<br /><br />However, there is one possibility. <br /><br />Robert Peston has reported that the NOTW strategy includes making substantial payments to those who have been hacked.<br /><br />Now the NOTW will almost certainly win its appeal in the libel case, and be awarded costs reported to be £500,000 against TS. So if evidence emerges that TS's phone was hacked, the NOTW could pay him, say, £100,000, which could then be set against the legal costs.<br /><br />It seems not a bad deal for the NOTW, since the NOTW will probably never see most of the £500,000 in any case.Critical-eyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798989173047492175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-53674883079660341022011-01-25T13:07:51.646+00:002011-01-25T13:07:51.646+00:00Just a note - the particular sentencing possibilit...Just a note - the particular sentencing possibilities that are implicitly referred to on this site (and explicitly referred to in various Scottish and UK newspapers) are not comprehensive.<br /><br />There is a certain frothing at the mouth in parts of the media against Sheridan when it comes to this matter.<br /><br />Despite what they say other options are available.<br /><br />I will not say here what they are to ensure that there is no breach of site policy.<br /><br />In my opinion some of those alternative options, especially in light of the startling new evidence that has been revealed since the verdict, are appropriate for consideration at least.<br /><br />In light of the fast developing enquiries (including the now extended CPS and ICO enquiry) that now overlap with this case those options may be presented for consideration by the defence.<br /><br />They may choose not to of course but if they were it would be reasonable in my view.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />PeterPeternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-53837043005885921252011-01-25T12:05:30.553+00:002011-01-25T12:05:30.553+00:00I am not sure if the judge is empowered to close t...I am not sure if the judge is empowered to close the court even if he wanted to. Justice being seen to be done means that proceedings should be dealt with in open court with the public permitted to attend. Certain types of business are taken in 'chambers' but I am not aware that a sentencing diet ever would be.<br /> Photography/recording is generally not permitted of live court proceedings and, indeed, I know of one Sheriff who even frowns on taking photographs of their court empty and without any proceedings taking place. That said BBC have experimented a couple of times with footage of proceedings which I can only assume took place with authority from the very top and consent/agreement of all parties. The last time they were showing proceedings in the Glasgow Domestic Offenders court if I recall correctly.Say It Ain't So Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-10751408329790254052011-01-25T11:46:16.663+00:002011-01-25T11:46:16.663+00:00Hello Anon 1, As far as I am aware the court is op...Hello Anon 1, As far as I am aware the court is open to the public, there will be no cameras as those are never allowed.<br /><br />Anon2, sentencing was originally to be held in Edinburgh but has now been moved to Glasgow High Court.<br /><br />Best Regards<br /><br />JamesJames Dolemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774046346905734191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-21387618369861222452011-01-25T10:57:15.446+00:002011-01-25T10:57:15.446+00:00Is it Glasgow or Edinburgh the papers are living c...Is it Glasgow or Edinburgh the papers are living conflicting venues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-42527426753566576162011-01-25T06:12:42.798+00:002011-01-25T06:12:42.798+00:00is it true the Judge is closing the court for sent...is it true the Judge is closing the court for sentencing? No public or cameras?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-89253757073560417602011-01-24T21:28:17.687+00:002011-01-24T21:28:17.687+00:00I should have mentioned that DCS Williams was aske...I should have mentioned that DCS Williams was asked why the operations was named Caryatid and told the court that names are chosen at random.James Dolemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774046346905734191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-156326701144453362011-01-24T21:25:56.197+00:002011-01-24T21:25:56.197+00:00Denizen said
"I prefer the idea that the Met...Denizen said<br /><br />"I prefer the idea that the Met is the Caryatid. It is holding up the whole bloody construction of lies from falling in on News International."<br /><br />A nerd with interesting information and a good line in irony and humour! Can't be bad. Thanks for the comment.Avid Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-87946048464365843832011-01-24T21:08:44.669+00:002011-01-24T21:08:44.669+00:00Or even X^2.Or even X^2.CBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-59340866540961700312011-01-24T20:43:26.933+00:002011-01-24T20:43:26.933+00:00Less than a couple of days now, James, and we can ...Less than a couple of days now, James, and we can forget this "lifestyle" stuff.<br /><br />On Wednesday we'll hear, I suppose;<br /><br />- Sheridan's plea for a lenient sentence. I can hardly imagine him delivering this in the right tone. I do hope he lets his lawyer do this.<br /><br />-Lord Bracadale delivering the sentence of X years.<br /><br />-Uproar and protests about the harsh sentence of X years.<br /><br />-Justification of X. It could have been X+2, even X*2.<br /><br />-etc<br /><br />And we'll get to hear what James Doleman concludes from having sat through the whole of this long trial.<br /><br />I hope you get a good sleep and get there early. There might be a long queue for seats!<br /><br />Good Luck James. Looking forward to your report on real events in court again.pawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-75926647353673146252011-01-24T20:33:40.260+00:002011-01-24T20:33:40.260+00:00Do you think Coulson could be dubbed up wae Tommy?...Do you think Coulson could be dubbed up wae Tommy?yulefaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14720758140116316993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-30460337989608335232011-01-24T20:20:43.689+00:002011-01-24T20:20:43.689+00:00still does not change the real facts.still does not change the real facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-500792161594913167.post-84380371383015522542011-01-24T20:09:10.844+00:002011-01-24T20:09:10.844+00:00A Caryatid is a stone figure - that supports an ar...A Caryatid is a stone figure - that supports an architectural element eg an overhanging porch roof. Maidens as in the Erichtheion in Athens. Atlas as in that porch next to the entrance to Frazer's on Argyll Street.<br /><br />I know: I deserve the award for nerd of the year.<br /><br />I can't help thinking that there is a classical student in the Met - a Nigel stuck in a tiny windowless office in Scotland Yard - who thinks these things up because they have some significance. This may be nothing more than that the old newspaper offices in Fleet Street had Caryatids all over them. I prefer the idea that the Met is the Caryatid. It is holding up the whole bloody construction of lies from falling in on News International.<br /><br />Hope all are putting starch on their upper lips. There's nothing left but to show grace in the face of adversity.Denizennoreply@blogger.com